hello marcum. I'm a newcommer! but I was reading ur post on2/4/08. and I just wanted to ask ur advise. My husband and I are in a very rough patch for like the 3rd year out of our 4 1/2 year marriage. I was reading where u said your wife seen you as a verbal abuser. While I feel the same way about the H. I have begged, cried and demanded he stop for the sake of the marriage and the kids. Our kids r 1.5 & 2.75 years old and our 2 yearold is starting to repeat what she hears. How do I get him to stop. I have treating divorce I have asked him to move out and everytime I feel like I'm standing up for myself and the kids I feel like its the wrong thing for the kids and I love him so much so I always ask him back I dont want a divorce but whats better my kids living in a seperated home or having their father even if acting the way he does? How do I get it to stop? please any help is much needed. thank you.