Well...in my case - I'll see i guess...i have a date on Friday night...and actually am really looking forward to it for what it is - without any intentions of using it for any purpose other than for myself and for her - ie to have a great time out with a great woman.

My W is now with an OM who seems to be a pretty permanent fixture and nothing seems to be shifting on that front and I'm done with "babysitting" hopes and feeling sh!t about it.

I suppose i have reached the point of acceptance - and i have or am getting close to being fed up of being lonely, of slogging my guts out; just to get a few crumbs of friendship, although i do value my W's friendship and she would always be my No1 choice. If there ever was a possibility of her reconsidering me as a R partner i would walk over hot coals for her...but all the evidence that I see and hear is the opposite.

I've felt guilty and that i owe it to my W for a full 2 years now - have known that she has been gone for something like 4 years in total.

I have bumbled forwards for what seems like an age and managed to recover a friendship with her - but with the arrival of OM no2 in the middle of 2008 think that the chances of a reconciliation are slim...to nil...

I will continue to have a friendship with my W no doubt - as its in the best interests of our S7 but now I have to exercise my romantic and sexual muscles again...I have resisted for a long time but am getting ready.

I'm doing nothing to make her aware of it.. its not about that...and likely it will not turn into anything - but it might I suppose.

But if there's anything in the proposition of this thread i may have something, at some stage to report back...

The reason I was interested in Puppy's position was that it seems to me that there is not an awful lot, at some level, to choose between not dating, and giving the impression that one is. The "impression" is created in the WAW's mind that one is dating or seeing someone else.

Now if someone actively gives that impression, but is not actually doing it, dating or actively flirting, but citing vows and religious beliefs (and guys I am not making any judgements at all about anyone's religious beliefs here) as a justification...then I find it difficult to understand how the whole thing is squared up..Puppy - it may not be like that at all - which is why I asked!!! So sorry in advance - possibly!!!

I apologise to you all for my use of "one" - that's just UK English teaching for you!

Best to all on this thread - i think it has the makings of a really useful discussion...

KBO - GFI


Me: 40ish
W: 40ish
Together: 20 ish years
Married: 10ish Years