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So Hey Amy, sometimes we find ourselves in situations where we have no choice. none. And we are forced to 'do the right thing' even if it hurts. No sh*t, Frank.

And we're still alone. Still having to do what has to be done. Yeah well a lot of people just friggin do it without needing people to blow smoke up their ass repeatedly because they're doing it.

I'm not the only LBS who found themselves in these situation. Your husband (LBS) is lucky that he has you, who never asks for help and is capable of managing on her own. BUt that is rare. LOL - you think I don't ask for help? Jeff has helped me MANY times, not that I deserved it.

Yeah, I suck. I hurt, I escape.

And every morning I feel like shiit because of it. So stop friggin DOING it.

And my kids want their mom back. And they will learn to live with this and they will adjust so long as they are in a healthy environment that doesn't perpetuate the bullsh*t.

And none of this will happen. None of it. So. You think your kids are the first ones to endure a broken family? Do you think you are the first one who's wife didn't want to come back? LOOK AROUND HERE!! You will only find a few that didn't get off their ass and survive, or even prosper in spite of it.

See, we aren't the WAS who is looking for forgiveness. We're the LBS who won't be forgiven but are stuck with the pain and responsibility of our children. That statement is so loaded with BS my eyes just turned brown. "Wont be forgiven" - what a crock. WASs need more than just forgiveness of their LBS to make them want to come home. One, it has to be the desire of their own heart to save the marriage and two, the LBS has to change whatever has been determined needs to be changed. That's BARE BONES. Without BOTH of those things, nothing's happening. Of our WAS, of everything that went wrong. Because as MEN we are the only ones who can fix it. Not to restore our marriage, but because we have no choice. We MUST survive.

Perhaps this might be insightful, it may make you look at your husband and his life and see how HE has struggled to keep his house, and his sanity during these difficult times. I FULLY see how my husband has struggled and there isn't one time in the last 3 years that I have not been there for him and vice versa no matter the problem at hand.

Maybe I'm out of line, I don't know. Definitely but I am unlikely to hold a grudge for very long.

You're still one of my most loved friends.

Don't hit me until you examine where I'm at. Oh, I know where you're at, Frank. That's exactly why I nailed you.