Thanks for your words of wisdom. It is really great to hear a HD male perspective. I think you can help me so much. I will do my best to help you too. As far as holding out on the stubbornness - he is still at it. But he is also under the absolute most stress at work between now and the end of Sept. It is his busiest time of the year. Because of what is going on I have been questioning if it is the relationship thing or just his normal stress for this time of year. I'm still at it - giving my support wherever I can. Staying upbeat even when he is taking his bad day out on me. Two nights ago I gave him a "strictly platonic" massage. Last night I offered again but he turned me dowm. Of course my current insecure self is saying it is because I didn't take it further the night before. I am really confused as to if I should push the sex thing. From my perspective I would have been hurt if he pushed it on me when I was not into it (that was my old self). I think tonight I will try again. Thanks for listening guys and best of luck to you too.