(((((((Julia)))))))
I think you might be right about selling MC. I might need to try to think of a reason that she would want to go to sell to her.

As far as my 180, I am thinking of going on a two or three day "walkabout" (not walking, of course). Not telling where, or anything, just going. Still stewing on that.

I think she does feel excluded with so many guys around. But I don't think any of us are up for a sex change operation! What I have done a few times in the past few months is taken the kids out to eat at about the time she would be getting off work, and then calling her to tell her where we are going. She has met up with us twice. It isn't meeting me, but at least it gets us together.

((((((Michelle))))))
I think the next dicussion should be with MC, though at the rate things are going I might die first. In which case I will change the plan!

((((((Mishka))))))
Yes, I do think that I am fighting a losing battle. But I have to fight it to the end. Then I will feel good about whatever happens next!