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If I found I was getting the same results over and over again, I'd ask myself.. is it me or is it them? Since the people change, I'd figure it was me that was drawn to this type of behavior.


I disagree..since I know nothing of the people I meet or date before hand witht he exception of MHS38 then I don't see how you reason that I'm drawn to them??

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Now through this process I've learned I'm responsible for my happiness. I'm responsible for my choices. I choose how quickly I connect with a man. I'm responsible for the consequences. I choose the level of involvement.


and that sounds like your judging me..

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So.. I guess what I'm dancing around is.. If the same thing keeps happening over and over to you, you're doing it to yourself. You can continue doing what doesn't work and/or try something different.


well doing something different would mean me not dating I suppose..I don't think I'm actaully doing this to myself but your entitled to your opinion..I actaully think that the pickings are pretty slim..

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Where Kim is concerned.. know why you're angry at her.


not angry at Kim..Kathleen..she wants to discuss business..Caleigh then I'm all in for that..

she wants me to listen to and validate her personal issues..then I say go see a Counselor..cause I could give a chitt..I'm no longer her shoulder to cry on..

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It's good to hear she admits to mourning the loss. She's waking up.


ROTFLMAO..waking up?? LOL christ on a pony..that's funny..thats frinkin hilarious

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You're not her shrink.


you're right..I let her know it by telling her I could care less about her "mourning the loss"..because it's the truth...db'in her assss is history Kathleen..

I'm not her friend Kathleen...never will be, don't have to be, not gonna be..she gave all that up when she walked away..

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She is mourning the loss of her ability to manipulate you. She percieves "straight up business" as hostility becuase you are no longer emotionally invested in anything but a co-parent R with her. She likes the drama and she is used to it being with you. I truly believe the opposite of love is not hate...its indifference.



I get that..Ian mentioned that to me sometime back and I believe that. There's really no other reason for her to bring up her personsal stuff other than that.

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I truly believe the opposite of love is not hate...its indifference.


I'm there sister..almost anyway..I don't hate her..I could just actually care less what she does, feels or thinks other than Caleighs stuff..

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but FWIW you are a catch and MHS38 is a fool and may be realizing too late what she let get away.


thanks for that...but that is neither here nor there now..

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I truly believe the opposite of love is not hate...its indifference.

I'm there sister..almost anyway..I don't hate her..I could just actually care less what she does, feels or thinks other than Caleighs stuff..


Not almost, there. If you don't care about how she feels or what she thinks other than Caleighs stuff, then you my friend are wading in the calming waters of indifference or "couldn't care less ville." Its a wonderful place to be. Looking forward to getting there myself one of these days.

Originally Posted By: M
from Tennessee]but that is neither here nor there now..


Her loss. Have a great day Mikey!;\)


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actually Cory..it's "I could give a f***ville"

I mean at this point does it really make a damn what either of us are feeling..I come here..unload my crap..I feel better..I unload my crap over the phone to old Cornboy out in Nebraska and Ian in Memphis..they listen, empathize..beat me about the head..I'm good..it's all free abuse and I LOVE IT...I've already had a MC and IC show me how I screwed up my M and what part I played..

the missing link in all this

KIM has never tried to go figure out what her deal is...she's dealing with it by "mourning the loss" ...ahh helll I say "mourn this" put some big girl panties on and go get yourself some frinkin help so the next poor bastard that runs across you won't be subjected to you or your mom's (crap that originated from your mom's sexual abuse by her dad)crap...crap, crap..and before anybody comes in here swinging because maybe I said this to Kim..I did not say this..but you better believe I'm thinking it and I'm venting it here.. ;\)

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Originally Posted By: M from Tennessee
actually Cory..it's "I could give a f***ville"


Duly Noted. \:\)

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KIM has never tried to go figure out what her deal is...she's dealing with it by "mourning the loss" ...ahh helll I say "mourn this" put some big girl panties on and go get yourself some frinkin help so the next poor bastard that runs across you won't be subjected to you or your mom's (crap that originated from your mom's sexual abuse by her dad)


You have realize there is a problem in order to want/need/receive help. Kim wants to believe YOU are the problem. Since you won't play anymore then she will probably insert the next poor bastard (ok that just sounded bad;\)) and so on and so on. Unless or until she realizes that the only consistent featur of all of her dissatisfying relationships is her, then she will remain blissfully broken. YEE HAW!!!!


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Originally Posted By: Sugar and Spice
Originally Posted By: M from Tennessee

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I truly believe the opposite of love is not hate...its indifference.

I'm there sister..almost anyway..I don't hate her..I could just actually care less what she does, feels or thinks other than Caleighs stuff..


Not almost, there. If you don't care about how she feels or what she thinks other than Caleighs stuff, then you my friend are wading in the calming waters of indifference or "couldn't care less ville." Its a wonderful place to be. Looking forward to getting there myself one of these days.

Originally Posted By: M
from Tennessee]but that is neither here nor there now..


Her loss. Have a great day Mikey!;\)



Lookie Lookie..... 1st things first, it's not indifference. It's called the anger stage. Anger does not have to mean outward hostility. It can simply mean that you don't give a chit. That's part of anger as well Mike.

Kim, is a nutjob, we get that. However, her comments right now, while I believe them to simply be for your attention, may someday actually mean more to you.

In time forgiveness will come into your heart and you will lighten up a bit. I know the kind of man you are and find it hard to believe that you will be "indifferent" with her forever.

By the way, I think maybe you should go back and re read Gypsy"s posts to you, some of it actually makes a lot of sense dude......

When was your D final again???? Is it really that important to find the perfect woman right now? Nah...... try just having some fun dude......


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It can simply mean that you don't give a chit. That's part of anger as well Mike.


not angry at all brother...I don't think or agree that she deserves what she seeks..she wants the D but still wants the benefits of the M. (ie) she wants the extended family activities..now people here want to classify me as being an asss or being wrong for feeling like she does not deserve that then have at it..you're all entitled..

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may someday actually mean more to you.


they don't mean chitt to me stuck in an email concerning CS..that's a jab brother..pure and simple..and if Carrie did that to you then you would fire back..ya know what would mean chittt Ian..I'll tell ya what would have some meaning..would be for her to set down and take a little responsibility..hell even if it's just 10%..even 1%..even a .1% that is batchitt...but what do I get..guilt trips..judgemental attitude...and to that i say screw it..I should not have to take it and won't..not when I'm bending...I'M BENDING...

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In time forgiveness will come into your heart


forgiveness came into my heart long ago Ian..I forgave myself for this and I forgave her..just because I forgave her does not mean I have to take her abuse..take her jabs..take anything from her with a smile on my face..

I've re-read those posts over and over by the way..and responded to them..

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Is it really that important to find the perfect woman right now?


lots of people on here are assuming that is my goal and their assumptions are not correct..

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try just having some fun dude......


and that's what I'm attempting to do..I think it may be a good idea that i don't post about my dating escapades on here as it seems what I do is not taken very well..that may be my whole problem..I post every thing and should posts bits and pieces..

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Originally Posted By: M from Tennessee

and that's what I'm attempting to do..I think it may be a good idea that i don't post about my dating escapades on here as it seems what I do is not taken very well..that may be my whole problem..I post every thing and should posts bits and pieces..


Nah, I think your dating stuff is cool. I have to live somewhat vicariously through someone...

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Her loss. Have a great day Mikey!;\)


BTW that comment was about MHS38, not Kim.


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Nah, I think your dating stuff is cool. I have to live somewhat vicariously through someone...


it appears on some threads the dating stuff is taken in a different context...than what it is on this thread..

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BTW that comment was about MHS38, not Kim.


oh I knew it was...Kim's loss too..

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