Snodderley and Braveheart thank you for your replies and Happy New Year to all, I agree ex is the loser in all this, and I personally think that it is his pride shame and guilt that stops him making contact with his son, after all no-one told him he couldnt talk or see his son it was his own doing, anyhow forward for me I have work to do in my pleasant little life, one day he may contact son who knows, not I,