When they say not to believe what they say, does that apply to what you overhear them saying to a friend of theirs? Because I feel like that's the only time they are actually honest. I don't believe anything she says to me, but it's hard to not believe what I overhear her saying to her friend. I do like the suggestion of the 48 hour rule, but it's so hard because that just gives her 48 more hours to hang more carrots in front of me. She's actually very clear about what she wants: she wants me to stay in the house w/our D4, she will get her own place and have her own relationship, she will continue to pretend we are a family (i.e. dinners together, outings, etc.), and this will do on indefinitely. Oh, and by the way, she has also said that she doesn't see either of us remarrying. For example, I told her once that I would remarry in time and it would no longer be appropriate for us to go "family vacations" to which she responded that this is her family and no one can tell her that we can't still go on vacations together. She just wants it all, and as long as she is getting it all I don't see a reason for her to change. I'm going to pray about this for the next 48 hours and see where the Lord leads me. I just can't live like this for the rest of my life, especially when I know for certain that she is continuing to speak to the OM (I saw a text from him to her yesterday, nothing obvious, just him saying he was leaving and would call her later). WP