Well, I'd invite you to my party but it's all women in PJ's watching Mama Mia and drinking Ouzo and singing along. Other than the all women aspect I somehow don't think it would be your cup 'o tea.
Now, you saw that I defined normal right after that statement right? That's my idea of it anyway. What would normal look like to you Mike? Is it a real expectation or an idealized version of normal?
T19 M15 S19 XH47 M43 bomb12/4/07 PA5/07 S12/26/07 D final 11/17/08 Back together with no defined R 05/2010 confused....to say the least!!!
What would normal look like to you Mike? Is it a real expectation or an idealized version of normal?
wow...let me see this could get exciting in a hurry..I can see my brother from the west loading his guns now and counting the ammo..
normal..I feel I'm normal but looking at the world around me makes me doubt how normal I am due to the way the world operates..I always "try" to do the right thing. I say "try" because there are times when that can't be followed. I feel most of the time you can do what is right but you must be willing to take any hits for that...Do unto others as you would have them do unto you is normal IMO.. Putting into something what you expect out of it is normal IMO..the golden rule and all that..having the nuts to stand up in the face of adversity and fight your way against the status quo is normal...knowing when to fight and when to cut your losses is Normal IMO...giving your word and standing behind that word is Normal..no matter what.
my problem...I think..is very little of this exist in the world anymore..and what little that does is hard to find..and it frustates my asssss..makes me question me and who i am..makes me want to just "give in" go with the flow..just say "f**k it"..it makes me wonder if my values, morals and what was instilled in me as a kid and through my life is actually normal or really abnormal...
just go all out status quo and screw everyone...
I know my attitude sucks right now..
I don't know if all that is a real expectation or an idealized version..I know I was raised a certain way and have pretty high moral standards..of course I've bended those standards on occasion..I'm not perfect by any means and don't really believe human perfection exist.
it's all self doubt bullchitt..I mean this is not the first time I've been through this chitt in the last few months..Ian's warped my asss more times then anybody over this bullchitt but for some reason I've got this thing inside me that makes me constantly revisit this crap...over and over and over and over..
so get some of that...god that's so pathetic..I just re-read this post and it sucks..It's all over the friggin place..
I think I am not normal. Can you be abnormal in a good way...?
I mean, I tried EVERYthing to save my marriage, to a man who was cheating and lying to me.
I don't think that is the "normal" response. I also developed a mental condition (depression), needing professional intervention. I think people who knew that information about me would say that I was abnormal, and shy away from any involvement.
Maybe we are all just differently abnormal...
(as an artist, I tend to embrace abnormal - I actually think my X was more of a "normal" guy...)
You, Mike, are an out-of-the-ordinary man. Maybe that is a better way to see it.
Couple of things jump at me here...please correct me if i am wrong. Uno, your reaction to the recent events (whatever they were) tells me you had serious feelings for this lady. Your subsequent thoughts give me the sense that you are uncortable being alone. Maybe it is not normal to jump into relationships too quickly or look to fill the void too quickly. Just rambling here but it always seemed to me that you were going gangbusters in the lady dept. and you have seemed to hit a little lul. Maybe the place to try to get to is one where we are comfortable with being on our own / alone / unattached but at the same time looking but not searching per se. Probably does not make much sense. Anyhow buddy, I hope you feel better soon and not just because a new lady caught your eye. Of course if that were the case all the better!!! What I have learned from my recent past is to trust my instincts...give them the benefit of the doubt but trust your instincts.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you is normal IMO
Exactly! Bingo!
That kind of normal does exist Mike but you are absolutely right that it is hard to find. Too many people have been raised to believe that they should do whatever makes them feel good and screw everyone around them that they hurt in the process. Ummmm.....that would be what our X's believe obviously. The fallout of their decisions doesn't even begin to haunt them the way it does us.
You know you don't want to conform to the ways of the world. That would suck! Being self-centered all the time and going through life in the slash and burn mentality that so many do would not be for you. YOU HAVE A CONSCIENCE!!!
Don't get me wrong, right now in our lives selfish isn't necessarily a bad thing. I feel we have all been givers for far too long and it's time to stop that chitt for a while.
You are an out-of-the-oridinary man, just like Donna said. Stay that way please. Maybe your way of thinking and living could rub off on some of the other far too ordinary people around you. Set the example Mike. We will all be eagerly watching your progress.
T19 M15 S19 XH47 M43 bomb12/4/07 PA5/07 S12/26/07 D final 11/17/08 Back together with no defined R 05/2010 confused....to say the least!!!
your reaction to the recent events (whatever they were) tells me you had serious feelings for this lady.
no not serious feelings..I think I've said all along thing were comfortable because we have known each other a awhile..
the alone thing..well there are times when I want to be alone and times when I don't want to be alone. I'm perfectly fine alone..I've always sort of had my time, our time no matter who I was with..I'm perfectly fine alone..I'm good alone..as good as I am when I am with someone..and I sure don't need anyone to take care of me..I cook, clean..take care of myself..I'd make some one a good wife.
I was going gangbusters in the ladies dept but none have been serious..because I'm unwilling to get serious..that's right..you heard it here..I don't want serious..I want to go out have a good time..get a good meal..enjoy some adult conversation..see a movie..watch a ballgame..sometimes in the company of a beautiful woman..sometimes not..
and I don't know about lulls..CSR38 still emails..cafegirl34 emails occasionally..lunch with golfcoursegirl yesterday..MHS38 is texting as I type this..
instincts...the little voice..little bastard may have fooled me this time..we will see I suppose.
I think I am not normal. Can you be abnormal in a good way...?
I mean, I tried EVERYthing to save my marriage, to a man who was cheating and lying to me.
I don't think that is the "normal" response. I also developed a mental condition (depression), needing professional intervention. I think people who knew that information about me would say that I was abnormal, and shy away from any involvement.
Maybe we are all just differently abnormal...
(as an artist, I tend to embrace abnormal - I actually think my X was more of a "normal" guy...)
You, Mike, are an out-of-the-ordinary man. Maybe that is a better way to see it.
I think that is it, MIke. We are out-of-the-ordinary. Maybe even above the ordinary, if I dare be so bold and judgemental (ot will spank me on that one).
But we do have high moral standards. That is not ordinary; its special. You asked me once when I gave you a similar comment - that you were a good guy - you asked What makes me think that you are a good guy?
It is your integrity. Your commitment to your daughter. Your attempts to make things work and stand by your vows. Your willingness to do the hard work, look within yourself at the bad, as well as the good, and make changes accordingly.
Mike, don't compromise your integrity and morals, for anyone. In the end, you would feel terrible, not better, because it is integral to who you are. And that is a positive thing. It should inspire those around you to rise up; rather than the other way around.
Everyone has self-doubts. I think that is why your fb posts were so cryptic - and we are here to validate you, my friend. Soldier of the heart, you are. Its ok to ask for that from us sometimes; you are sure to get it. You are one of the good guys, no question about it.
We need to be able to have some recognitions on DB, don't you think? Maybe a rank system like the military, or badges of honor (could we get merit badges, like Scouts? Hey, that might be fun! We need to set out some requirements...do 4 of the 6 activites below to earn this badge for your sash!) Hey, thinking about that might cheer you up a bit - just think of all the things you have learned and accomplished through this journey!
Waiting patiently and wondering gets you no where at times.
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so the question now..do I lay in this muck or do I get up? Do I get all batchitt crazy so I can play the game with all the other loonies? at least the playing field will then be even..hell I know batchitt so well I may even be able to slightly tilt the field in my favor.
Hi M. I have been following your thread.
The above guotes have me confused. My instincts tell me this is about "women" or "a woman"...(isn't it always
Can you clarify? Come on man.. Tell it straight. What's up?
