HH and LonelyD it sounds like you are both on the right track. I think I am there too. Today I had thought about talking to my in-laws since it has been over 8 months since our seperation and near divorce. My father in law has been down this road so he should understand where I would be coming from but it is daughter. Anyway I just wanted to let them know how much I love my wife and care about her and that I would like to keep my commitment to her and God and stand for our marriage. I'm not sure if it would go in the direction of beneficial or the direction of disaster. All I know to do is pray about it and see what God leads me to do. For the most part her dad and me always got along and seem to have had a pretty good relationship with each other. HH I would say that if you do talk to your wife at any time to really think about what you are about to say before you do simply because with the way our wives think right now they have the ability to take just about anything you say and twist and turn it far from what you intended. They are right that we have made our fair share of mistakes but they are not in the mental thought of any kind of forgiveness, they would rather continuing with this victim mentality. Understand thier hearts are very hard and they have one heck of of security wall built around themselves right now. We love our wives and want them back but this needs time and God's grace and hand at work along with our constant prayers and unconditional love. Stay strong and focused on God. Pray for your wife daily and for her to seek God.