BBJ..that's not a 2x4..I think that's being realistic..even MWD says that in her book..some are done from the get go and won't come back..some are too far gone. Some get it in their head and are hell bent on doing it..

at least he went to Retro...try 3 half assed MC sessions, then promises for more..

the difference is..I'm the better for it. ;\) and IMO that's what you should strive for too.