Expect the unexpected, that's all I'm saying, Jeff. S18 is the LAST person I would expect to feel sympathy for his Dad. He's way too smart, but I get the 'Daddy factor' can have a great pull. This is truly Co-Dependency at it's best. I pray that one day, S18 comes to his senses (said the slightly co-dependent mother). And I'll say a little prayer for your S20 as well, that he uses his brains to do the right thing. Peace.