Thank you. I hear from others on another site all about the MLC'r needs for himself. The ow is playing into that to keep herself in the picture. He feeds off the attention he gets and the newness and she tries every way to distance him further from thinking about me. He lies to protect himself and her. I do not know if he lies to her as well. She hears from him of what we did in our marriage and she wants it as well. Like taking her to Hawaii last January where we were married. He said he is making new memories and just wants me to move on. The jaguar that he bought me and I gave back to him. She wants it repaired so she can drive it. He hears what she says and because perhaps he can not face what he has chosen to do, listens to her and absorbs it. He has changed so much. Even to the point perhaps of wanting to get married again. This was both of ours second marriage. She wants him desperatelly. From Mexico and also has a bleeding heart story about her life and that he feels sorry for her and forgets all that I did in mine to be where I am. Perhaps she will get pregnant or make him feel that she is unworthy to be the mother of his child. He may feel there is no option now and just go for it. I know I need to stay distant. I am even disappointed in me for emailing him on my birthday. To say that I wished him many years of happiness with ow was only my way of saying that I am moving on and accept what he has chosen to do. I am not clinging but am going forward. In time he may come to see this for what it really is. That she is a game player and that he has gone from the frying pan into the fire. So sad and perhaps so needed. Inside there is the man that I loved but he is supported in his choice by his single male friends and now feels that there is no option but to go on with her and this life. I still pray. I am working towards a new job and continuing to hold my head up. I slip from time to time and if he feels guilty and if he feels that there is no hope in returning as it will never be the same then for now that is the way it is. I told him that I believe that you can learn from this. That we could make it better. Then he came back and I said that I had lied as I needed him to tell me that. Until then I know it would only be me working towards what I would want to believe it could be. Still, perhaps I planted a seed in his mind. Until he sees this for what it is and if ever finds the courage to return I will go on. Thank you for your reply. I really appreciate any input.