Well said graceallday. I had this talk a while back with a very good friend. He and I both thought that it was so crazy that our wives and society puts so much importance on "being happy" to the point of "selfishness". Both him and I were ok with making sacrifices in happiness for the benefit of the family because we thought that in the long run it was the right thing to do in order for long term happiness.

Frank and I (and many others) that filed did indeed try. There is only so much one can tolerate - for me, it was including our children in her affair (and other things) that crossed my line.