Sorry to be waivering so much lately. Told my son this morning that until she ends her relationship with OM, then there is nothing. My hope that this will end with him is failing. I told my son that as well. I don't want to hear anymore about how miserable she is, or how I need to do this or tat to save my marriage. There is nothing to save until he is gone, end of story. The emotions of the holiday are getting to me. Let her crash if that is what she neds to do and let her do it without me around, whatever. I stayed awake almost all night thinking all this over. When am I not upset or in pain over this, when I don't hear about her, from her or see her. I know absence makes the heart grow founder, but I am doubting that statement in my situation. I think out of site out of mind is more my sitch right now. She doesn't give a rats ass about me, marriage, relationship or her own dignity. I am trying too hard to stay focused and committed, and for what....I need to face the reality that she is most likely never coming back because she is that screwed in her head. I believe she is what she is right now and she is never going to change back or forward in any way that will reconcile this marriage. I will most likely not be posting for a while as the emotional strain of this epiphany have taken its toll on me. thank you all for your support and advice, but now, well now I just don't know.