I know your probably all going to shout at me and knock me back into shape but I want to ask you all that bother to reply to me, who thinks it is a bad idea for me to hold out an olive branch to this guy. I know I know what you are all going to say, it is just today something in my head keeps on telling me that what he as done he as done, I know he is having it bad and yes I agree that is what he got himself into, the thing is I dont want him thinking he cant ever talk to me and I think this is the only way him and son will ever have a relationship is if we can manage to be friendly, I am probably just being stupid, I would never have him back but I dont want him thinking he cant call me because I wont talk to him, dont worry I dont intend doing it straight away I will wait for your views, it could just be my head playing havoc with me, thanks in anticipation