NC,don't know what to say. I don't think I have any good advice about this; I feel I'm kind of in the same sitch, and I'm trying to deal also. I've read a dozen books on dealing with people that are like your W, and I've tried to be friendly, polite, nice, but also try to enforce boundaries when H gets rude now. None of it seems to help in my sitch, so don't know what to tell you. I do know that I think your W and my H have changed. I could not have married or stayed married to someone like my H is now, and I'm sure it's the same in your case. (((((NC))))) Karen