H4H, so sorry about your night. I have to admit that I accidentally did that once to my H, and he told me he listened (it was to me and the kids of course so I would think it would be boring!!!). Ever since then I check it sometimes to make sure that doesn't happen again. I think if you tell her, she will maybe do that too!!!

I've always heard it say that you know when it's time to give up. I feel like I am getting there myself, except you know I still have that teeny tiny hope left. I'm a goob. You don't sound like you have really gotten to that point, I know you're upset now, but I would be surprised if you were there yet. But if you are, you know I support you completely.

If you're not there yet, I really really think you should try going dark, black, as dim as you can. I do wonder sometimes if some us (you, me, Corey) sorry but have a harder time doing that b/c it's not in our nature!!! But I am 100% committing myself to that from now, and maybe you can too? If it made your W realize that you are moving on or woke her up out of her fog, then that would be good, but I think really important for you to be happy or at least happier than you are now.

I think we have all tried to tell you not to lose yourself in the ABC girls. I agree with that too. You know I had that choice also, and decided not to. I couldn't live with myself, or I wouldn't like looking at myself in the mirror or whatever else cliche applies! \:\) ((((H4H)))) Karen

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