I like the Patton quote:

"I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom."

Pretty weird that your W and my W both were nagging on us this weekend. Projecting their own faults upon us.

Everyone keeps telling me she is going to hit rock bottom in a few years just as they are saying to you. I have seen this movie before with my bother and best friends ex's - everything bad in their lives that can blame on their ex H's who are both good men.

Keep in mind that there comes a time where it is financially advantageous for you to file for a D. If you know that the marriage has no chance, sometimes waiting until your financial situation is better can be worse in regards to your W being able to get more spousal support.