I have the 5LL by G.Chapman and His Needs/Her Needs by Dr. Harley.

The 5LL was introduced to us by our counselor about 2 yrs. ago and we both found it enlightening. However, neither of us followed through with it much. I think that there was too much friction already and neither of us were as motivated as we needed to be.

I got Dr. Harley's books 'Love Busters' and 'His Needs,Her Needs' when she dropped the bomb in Mar.

LB is supposed to be read first. I made the mistake of inviting W to read w/me. There is a section in LB that talks about verbal abuse. Unfortunately my W accuses me of verbal abuse and hearing this simply entrenched her in her decision to leave as it confirmed her beliefs.

So, it wasn't very helpful at the time.

I do appreciate your comment though. I am rereading the 5LL now and plan to read the others soon.


Me 47, W 32,D 6,
Met 11 yrs. ago, M 7
Bomb 4/08/08, Sep. 8/10/08, Div. 8/10/09