BBJ...I wish I could help you. With recent events in my life, I am not sure I am the right person to listen to. I think my W took the aproach of try it and see. Try it and see is fine but you have to really try. In my case (and by no means am i even insinuating that you are in the same sitch) I am sure W was still in contact with OM will we were supposed to be trying, even when we were on vacation. That is why i said in the past that i jumped back in too quickly. But how can we resist when we have been trying to reconcile for so long? Bottom line BBJ, you told him how you feel. Now back off. Try some DB stuff....see what happens. Unfortunately, he is still holding the big end of the stick. Be patient.