truelove and snodderly thankyou for your replies, snodderly can I ask what you mean by "I found it quite interesting that it didnt take long for the ice breaker to cease", I say that if ex really wants to make amends with son he will move heaven and high water to make it happen, this only makes me wonder if it was him or not, we shall find out over time I suppose. One of the things ow said was that ex was afraid of making contact as he wasnt sure what kind of response he would get from son, I told her that is completely up to son. we had a lovely weekend, son is back playing his rugby so that takes up a lot of the time and the rest we were just chilling as son chooses to call it, truelove, I wasnt affected by the floods but there are two rivers that run less than a mile away and it did get quite tricky round there, but not me, I feel for the poor soles who do get flooded though, it cannot be nice. I wish you guys all the very best in life