Boy that is a really dumb question. Of course I mean it.
I won't take that personal.
The reason I am asking that, Phil, is that if one loves another personal unconditionally, and they follow Pauls' parroting of God's word, then we: * Love another regardless of how we are treated * Show those we love, kindness, even if we are treated unkind * We are not to compare with others the love we have * We appreciate the gift of love we feel for someone else without boasting or feeling superior * Love is pure, from God, and does not exist apart from God * Love for another can withstand the harshest circumstances and knows the truth, regardless of what is said or seen * Love will not perish
I am not saying how my wife must feel for me or how your wife feels for you or how you feel for your wife.
You said you love your wife unconditionally. I believe you. You don't have to answer me or anyone else but you should answer to yourself -- are you exhibiting this kind of love to your wife and in front of your children, friends, family, her family, your wife's friend and anyone else who knows you and your wife?
I am not changing scripture but sharing it as it is in His word.
Me:56, W:51 D:26,S:24,S:22 Married:18 Bomb 9/27/06 Separated 11/27/06 Divorced 10/6/08 Leaving it up to God
That is one hell of joke Amy. I don't think you were joking either. I think you were joking about the snakes.
Why do you think I say this?
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This site, it feeds off the weak. DB coaches... books... self help blubbering egocentric psychobabble BS.
Because if were true to our Christian values, and exspecially us Catholics we wouldn't need no books, no DB sites, no psycho therapy. We would trust in him and do his will. There is already one book and it's the bible.
We are weak because we lack faith, and we truly do not understand what was given to us. You woman still eat the apples. And you men still look at the shiny apple the other pretty lady has.
Why? Because of living the flesh. Not living in spirit. Being selfish and only looking out for number one. Even one of the goals in DBing is look out for number one. Become a better number one. Life life for number one. Make yourself number one.
No, sorry, it is all wrong. We go agaisnt his will constantly. All of us. That's why we are here. This is a devils tool. The harassment and bludgeoning of people.
No, I'm done... I will fight for this marriage the way I know how. That is the only way that is going to work. If it doesn't it will be on her. I'm not going to wait around forever kissing her butt because she thinks her feelings changed.
It is not about feelings. When you become selfish then it becomes about your feelings. Your misunderstood feelings.
are you exhibiting this kind of love to your wife and in front of your children, friends, family, her family, your wife's friend and anyone else who knows you and your wife?
No, because I'm too busy trying to prove how crazy she is, and how she is dragging me through hell. Until I get past the fact that she isn't crazy, or she stops acting crazy, then I'll be able to show it. All I have right now is frustration.
When I'm around her, and the children are there. I just want to hug her or hold her. But she comes in the house, runs out, hurries in the car, and makes everything a whirlwind heat flash.
I don't have a chance. And I don't have a chance because she works with pig girl. A validating hose beast of a woman, with no morals, dragging my wife down her pit.
I am Catholic and it is a joining of two complete people
becoming one is a metaphor
As I understand it the 'one flesh' is a reference to the children, as they are the one flesh of the two people.
Yes it is a covenant that should not be broken. All of us on the board agree with that. But you cannot 'argue' someone back to a marriage they don't want. That's simple human nature.
In marriage you become one flesh. Admit it. Stop trying to change the subject. Admit it.
No soup for you, those are your lines. Not mine. I don't want you to post to me, because you are not tolerable you say things that are totally out of line, and you condemn.
Then you say peevish comments like your five your old is more mature.
Don't post to me, because just like in the past when you posted to me you were not helpful. Guess what, it hasn't changed, you are still not helpful. Now go away, fig.
The old oak tree's bark was like scales of an aligator. - That is a metaphor.
No, actually it's a simile.
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Christ should come in here and upset some tables!
I hate to state the obvious, but yours would be the first, followed shortly by the scribes' and Pharisees'.
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AmyC, you crack me up.... I never casted you out... I only said for you to go home.
Same thing, Phil, same thing. You're splitting hairs. Just like the argument you're having about marriage as sacrament. An outward sign of an inner truth. Marriage is not an excuse for codependence; a sacrament is holy. Holiness is ultimately wholeness, what God wants for us. God did not intend for us to be codependent.
This is a critical understanding; this understanding can help you greatly in restoring your relationship with your wife. I predict that you'll reject it because it's coming from me, probably even label it "egocentric psychobabble." But what the heck--maybe someone else reading this may be open to it. Knowing where we end and our spouse begins is essential to a healthy (and holy) marriage. Understanding that they are not responsible for our happiness and we are not responsible for theirs. We are not responsible for their responses, they are not responsible for ours. We are creatures with free choice; we can choose how we respond when our spouse pushes our buttons. We can choose a healthy response, or we can choose to blame them for a childish reaction from us. We can choose to follow the letter of the law, or we can choose to work to understand the spirit of the law--as Jesus taught. It is a sign of a mature faith to make choices that will bring us closer to holiness. You were given free will, Phil--what choices will you make? Will they bring you closer to God and to your wife, or will they continue to push you away? I'm not talking about your wife's choices or what she needs to do--I'm talking about Phil's choices that can either support rebuilding your family or support bolstering your ego. Your choice, Phil.
This is not weakness--unless you believe that Jesus was also weak. I don't believe that.
M60 H52 D20 M14 yrs OW-old gf from 1986 bomb-5/18/08 H filed for D-9/10/08 D final 4/24/09 xH remarried (not OW) 2012
