Thanks Corri. I'm not bailing - not right now anyway. I'm committed to change and I suppose it will take as long as it takes. And I agree with your shrink that if my wife and I ever get to where I'd like us to be it will be worth every bit of my struggles and pain. But sometimes I wonder if getting to where I'd like us to be is even possible. Right now I'm lonely and I'm hurting inside - but I haven't given up. I just need a boost every now and then, and the only place that I know to find one is on this bulletin board. Thanks for all the boosts that you've given me Corri.