Well that's a little heavy. I wouldn't say that. But I would say... Phil, you're getting a consistent reaction here. Lots of people encouraging you to take a step back and maybe look at your situation a little differently.
you know what - would you be open to going to individual counseling? Maybe a face-to-face conversation would help.
Might be worth considering.
M 43 S14 S13 D11 D7 Divorce final: Jan 2009 Making it up as I go....
Puppy, if you have some kind of direct connection with him. Then ask him what is wrong with her. Change her... Soften her heart.
Right God told you...
No more like you need too, to fill your own belly.
Now the bad part is, if he really did. You went to the mountain, removed your sandals and he told you. Your face is white now.
If I'm saying he didn't tell you and he really did. That is blasphemy of the holy Spirt. That is unforgiveable offense.
So which is it. You lying, or did I blasphemize?
Because If I blasphemized, then I'm doomed....
Phil,
I did not lie, because I only asked a question for you to consider. I asked you to consider "what if I -- what if ALL of us -- werean answer to my prayer?
Phil, you say I'm good at praying. Do you believe that God answers prayers? The Word says that "the effectual, fervent prayers of a righteous man availeth much." On June 25th, this is what I prayed for you on the forum:
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Heavenly Father,
I pray first for your forgiveness in how I've dealt with Phil. I was frustrated, but more important is his own pain, and his family and especially his children. Please forgive me.
I also thank You for the fine people You have sent to try to help Phil, and for the patience that You have blessed them with.
Finally Father, I lift up Phil to you and ask that you bless him and his family. I pray that Your Holy Spirit will guide his interactions with his wife, and that You will grant him wisdom. I pray that You give him patience in dealing with his wife's emotions, and I pray that You will give him humility and that he will submit himself to YOUR will for his life and for his family.
I pray in Jesus' name,
Amen.
Paul _________________________
And on July 7th, I prayed/posted this:
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Father God,
Thank you for Your extra grace that you have given to Phil and his family thru this difficult time, and thank you for answering my prayer to bring him wise and PATIENT counsel. We have seen Your hand at work in the support he has been given recently.
Lord, I can see where Phil is getting frustrated, and is near his wit's end. I pray that you could show him some progress, even today, so that he may be encouraged and know unequivocally that You are at work in his family and his marital situation.
I also continue to pray that You will soften his heart, and let him see where he is contributing to the situation, and give him wisdom and discernment so that he can do whatever is necessary to help his family. I also pray for Your divine protection against any physical harm or further emotional harm to him and his wife that the enemy is trying.
In Jesus' name,
Amen.
Yes, I believe I have been led by God Himself to post to you, just as I felt convicted by His Holy Spirit to post the above prayer of repetence and petition. I'm asking you to consider now, Phil, what if God ANSWERED that prayer on June 25th? What if what Jack, and Amy, and BrandNewDay,and Hoosier, and everyone else that has been posting to you the past four months, what if they are ALL answered prayer?
What if God Himself has been trying to speak to you all along, while you in your flesh keep ranting and rebelling and imploring "God, why won't you speak to me??"
Phil, I'm sure you've heard the joke about the man, the rising waters, and the three boats. I think it's even been referenced on your threads once or twice. I believe God has sent you not three, but three HUNDRED and thirty-three boats, and you keep pushing them all away.
I will respect your wish, and not post to you again, unless you ask me a sincere question (which I'd be more than happy to answer) or I feel strongly led to do so by Him who made you. But I do implore you to consider what everyone is trying to say to you. For your kids, for your wife, and for yourself.
We do love you, and want what's best for you and your family, and so does our Lord.
Phil, this is the first time I have read your thread. Of course I have never posted before. You may take this positively or negatively. Hopefully, it will be a positive.
I do believe that you want to be a follower of Christ. In that Christ came to serve, not to be served. He commanded us that if we want to follow Him, to take up our own cross and leave behind everything else to follow Him.
As we are not to judge harshly, we are called to judge. One of the reasons we have to be cautious in judging another is that we have our own deficiencies. We are told,
Luke 6:36 – 38 “Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven; give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you.”
Matthew 7:1-5 “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.”
I like how Matthew goes further, not really telling us not to judge others but that we need to make sure that our own lives are in order before correcting others. We also have to consider why we are correcting another person for faults that we perceive. Is it out of truly caring about that person or are we doing it for our own selfish purposes.
Paul said that we are to judge but in a righteous manner that is not harshly but in a caring, loving way that is not about us but about them. 1 Corinthians 6:1-5 “Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?"
I am not saying that you or I or anyone else on this board should be judged but if someone is making a statement that is “judgmental” is it out of harshness or because they care and they want a person to experience more fulfillment in life by reviewing their actions?
Are we not judging our WAS/MLCers? Do we have a right to judge them? Yes, if we judge scripturally, we judge ourselves first, judge mercifully, forgiving, and importantly, if we have prayed for judgment ability. Solomon was a judge and we have a book on Judges, so it is okay for us to judge, properly.
With regards to our wives, we are to love them as Christ loves the Church. Ephesians 5:25-27 “Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.”
Christ died for the church so He is telling us to sacrificially love our wives regardless of what they do.
Phil, I have said things to my wife that I am not proud of. I am a person that should be judged. I do know that I cannot make any excuses for the treatment of my wife, in the past. I have forgiven myself for anything I have done because I have asked the Lord for His forgiveness.
Something that I have been learning is to use the entire word and not only selections that justify my actions. I have read no contradictions in the bible but it would be easy to take one piece of scripture and leave out scripture that accompanies it, sometimes changing the meaning of what God is saying.
When this all started for me, I ran to God. I have loved Him for as long as I can remember but not with all my heart, my soul and mind as we are called. I clung too much to what the world has to offer. I still do. I hope I won’t always be like this.
Initially, I tried to use God to change my circumstances by changing my wife. I thought “if only I can tell her what God says, she will comply”. If only she will become a godly woman, everything will be fine.
As I began to really realize what it means to love God and to serve others, I started to understand what Jesus meant by taking up our own cross and following Him (Matthew 10:38-39). We have to make the changes in ourselves and learn to serve others without any worldly expectations. We do it because we love God, period.
I don’t mean this in a rude or unkind way. Do you love God more than anything else?
Me:56, W:51 D:26,S:24,S:22 Married:18 Bomb 9/27/06 Separated 11/27/06 Divorced 10/6/08 Leaving it up to God
Sorry, Phil, but Amy is right. And you just banished her because she's right. You couldn't finish her post because it was too close to the truth for you.
I don't even have to dignify that statement. First off I didn't banish Amy. I pretty told her she is off her rocker. Why I stopped reading the post was because she said I think I'm God.
If anything she thinks she is God.
Another thing Amy loves to do is twist things. She hasn't answered any of the questions I have asked her.
I also asked you folks to stop sticking up for one another let them fight their own battles with me.
Really Hoosier, why do you post to me. To aggravate me. To overwhelm me. I find it really interesting that nobody was posting during my two weeks off from school and now that I started school. The freaks start coming out.
Why to overwhelm me... Make my head race. Spin me out of control. Just stop it. Please, stop.
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Oh, don't even go there, Phil, Mr. "Amateur Lay Theologian."
You are one twisted individual to throw that in my face.
Don't get into the literal context of teaching with the verse. I know the fruits of woman in the Church, and how they teach.
Amy isn't right. She is here to confuse me. You are all here to confuse me. You are not helping. Your causing little tid bit arguements that mean nothing.
Deaconess... Mostly Protestant term.
From the Catholic Encyclopedia: We cannot be sure that any formal recognition of deaconesses as an institution of consecrated women aiding the clergy is to be found in the New Testament. There is indeed the mention of Phebe (Romans 16:1), who is called diakonos, but this may simply mean, as the Vulgate renders it, that she was "in the ministry [i.e. service] of the Church", without implying any official status. Again, it is not improbable that the "widows" who are spoken of at large in I Timothy 5:3-10, may really have been deaconesses, but here again we have nothing conclusive.
I heard that each time a circuit breaker is opened because of too much amperage that it will lower the amount of amperage needed to open it for the next time. Too many times and you will need to replace the circuit breaker.
Irrelevant and moot... it was a story explaining my wifes contempt about understanding electricity and house wiring.
Nothing in your post was helpful. The story of the boat is a rehash.
What are you saying for me to get her back? You said nothing. You just wanted to justify your position to be right about the prayers you have said.
Do you remember why I even asked you not to post to me? Well rather than you spin your wheels. I will tell you because I remember it like it was a second ago. You told me to divorce my wife is she is so bad. Which was the wrong answer.
Now here you are again not helping. You came back on this thread to give someone a high five and rub my nose in it.
GOOD BYE PUPPY! God did not tell you to post to me.
In my opinion you are blatantly disrepectful to my sitch. Then your are disrepectful because I have asked you numerous times not to post to me.
When I want Puppy's opinion. I will include the word Puppy.
Hmmmmmm, could you please post a list of people that "are" allowed to post to you? I'm confused..........if you don't want advice, why are you here? Also, sometimes the advice may not be what you "want" to hear but is what you "need" to hear.
I have told you what I was instructed to tell you. What you do with it is up to you, but you bear the consequence, of mine and of ALL of the counsel you have received -- and shunned -- here and who knows elsewhere.
