You are spinning because this is a situation you can not fix.
You are trying to apply logic to something that seems so easy, but it isn't.
You are trying to control another person and it doesn't matter what you do, or what you say, there is absolutely nothing you can do right now to make your wife see things your way.
I know I keep repeating myelf, and I am sorry, but you do not listen to my words, and maybe, just maybe if you tried to be still you might see that things would go alot smoother if you could just be still.
I do not have the eloquence of posters like Amy or Ian or Jack, I just tell it how it is and what worked for me. I can not debate you with the History of the Catholic church because I have no real knowledge of it, I never studied it. I don't use big words because my vocabulary is not that extensive.
All I can tell you is that when I was in your situation, I was totally out of control until I started to listen to the words of the older posters here. Your way is not working, and after 700 posts I believe it is time to start something new.
Go back to your goals, your personal goals. Work on yourself and leave your wife alone. Stop saying you can't, the word is won't. You refuse to listen and you might as well start banging your head against a wall because you will get the same response each time you do things your way.
Please Phil, step into the Refiner's fire and sit still for a while. It really is the only thing you can do at this time to try to save yourself and maybe your Marriage.
((((((hugs)))))) BND X
There can be no testimony without a test. I am praying to go through this test and come out the other end with a new and better marriage then before.