"And don't underestimate the cumulative power of those "could have gotten pissy, but didn't" moments...just think of how those added up and helped poisen our M's in the past!! "
Excellent!
"HE sees it as going only one way: Shiny's nastiness drove him away....I see it as circular...our negatives fed off each other. "
Powerfully nasty loop! Although my H knows my LL, he still refuses to use it. I too am fighting against backsliding, because of that.
I wish there were a way to drive this point of cyclical decline home to these guys.