sorry had to post as it is getting quite lengthy and didn't want to lose what I had already typed. anyhow I went on to say did he know that when he was throwing us out of the house that we were facing being put in a hostel until some emergency housing in the worse part of the city became available, did he know that, because if he did he still carried on regardless, what was his reasoning for getting us out for trespassing, taking me to court to get us out, did he think I wasnt trying to get out of the place anyway, and for what because 9 months down the line and the old place is still sat empty as it wont sell. she says he really regrets what he did, and doesnt know what to do to put it right, he is afraid to contact son, and it is really hurting her to watch him be like this, I apologised and yet again told her it is not my responsibility to push son into making contact with his dad, his dad wants to grow up and act like an adult otherwise things will never happen. I left it at that. I wonder to myself what was the reason she felt the need to ring me really. Is ex now realising what he has done, is the regret seeping in, is the marriage having problems, whatever it isnt anything to do with me, he made his choice to do all this not me, I did find it interesting though when she said he has been wanting to contact son for a few months now and he just sits crying and saying he as lost everyone, especially son, could this be hitting bottom or just a bleet from her, she also said he didn't know she was phoning me and would go all hell crazy when he found out, I dunno, any views anyone, would be appreciated, and sorry for being so lengthy, also going on holidays so dont worry if I dont get back to you. thanks take care everyone