I'm also a LBS with no children, but we do have dogs that I know W misses. Even though when this started W told her Mom and sister that she didn't even care about them, but when we have talked W says that she misses them. My thread is in Newcomers; WAW Help. Things between us seem great as long as I agree with W about the situation. If I disagree even the slightest bit, all I get from her is, "it's over, I don't love you, etc"... I did fall for her "friend" telling me she was there for me as well, only to have our talks be relayed to the W. W and I have only argued through all of this when the "friend" opens her big mouth about something I said. W told me yesterday that she called a lawyer, of course I told her I would never grant it even though she asked me not to contest. After asking W who she called, she revealed that she hadn't filed for anything, just called and was awaiting a call back. I've heard nothing since about it. I also said I would absolutely not do any of the work and would not pay for anything in regards to a divorce until she could go into MC together with an open mind. She couldn't garauntee the open mind but agreed to go "just so I understand why". I told her I just needed time myself and wasn't going to throw away 13 years with just 2 months of seperation. She stayed home the first week, moved away the 2nd, came back for the 3rd, and from the 4th week to present has been at her friend's. I too read these threads and think it's hopeless without kids, but the pets seem to have a hold on things more than we think, as well as financial ties.