ARGH! I just posted a long response to you and it accidentally got deleted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK, I will summarize. I want to say again how you are a good man, and a good father. Thank you so much for the special post to me, that was very kind. I'm glad that I can help you in some way.

Reading your situation gets frustrating and I'm sure living it is even more frustrating. You and your family have so much potential just at your fingertips and it just seems to get away from all of you. Your W is so sad about the fact that she doesn't feel like she loves you really. She is so confused but so uninformed about life and love. You two can make it, I know it. Why aren't you asking her to go to Retrovaille, h4h? I want to know your honest answer to that question.

As for B and all the other women coming out of the woodwork...you need to stop all that crap right now. For any hope of you two staying together, and for your own well being, you need to stop contact with them. You are still married, and talking to other women and flirting. Don't say they are just friends, etc. etc. You and everyone else know that is not true. You even gave yourself your own 2x4. I remember you telling me that you have been in a relationship since you left your parents home, so this is very scary to you to be alone. Do NOT give up on her. Your marriage is not over. Everyone at Retrovaille said that they felt that their marriage was hopeless and that it was done. We all felt where you are right now.

You are thinking....well,WDID she moved out yesterday what do you want me to do!!!?????/ I want you to ask her about retrovaille, and I want you to start working on YOU. Do NOT start looking elsewhere for love that your W is not giving you. That was the mistake that I made. You are not divorced. Your wife still gives you signs. What are you doing to help yourself? Are you seeing a counselor? Are you reading books? Are you talking to your pastor about what to do?

I may be sounding harsh, but I just don't want you to look back and regret ANYTHING, and I also know that you need to heal yourself before you jump into something else or someone else that will make you feel warm and fuzzy and ruin anything else you could have done.