That's the depression talking, Brian. You've given LOTS of great advice and insights. I've read them, I know. And so what if some of those things weren't "really" working in your sitch...doesn't mean they wouldn't help in another, right?

Brian, I'm just so heavy-hearted for you right now. If I were to discover CJ back in touch with OW at this point...well I just don't know.

I rather feel like you do...that it would be the last straw! We are finally REALLY piecing, continued deception would make and utter and complete fool of me!

I've actually had the same thoughts as you...at what point do you start enabling them to continue behaving this way? Where are the consequences?

I guess I just don't get where you wife's head is at. All I do know is that while things were starting to improve in our M, CJ was still (secretly) in an EA with OW too.

So I guess I CAN tell you that for me, over time, I'm gaining back trust in CJ that I thought would never come. It's taken time, reassurances, and NO FURTHER EVIDENCE of contact with OW.

You alluded to W's mom having breakdown at 40, what kind of disorders run in your W's family, Brian? Might have some insight there.

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