DQ,

FWIW, the Eroscillator may well be better for transitioning to direct manual/oral stimulation as it is better at mimicking that kind of stimulation, more or less, depending on chosen attachment.

NTE,

" What scares me about a no O woman are the ones who won't try to find a way. As a man, at that point all you are doing is masturbating in somebody else's body."

Certainly this is false. A woman can certainly enjoy sex and genuine intimacy without having an O.

While a woman might require genuine sexually intimacy to have an O with a P, the reverse is not true.

Now, if you were to say "having sex with a woman not at all emotionally present or interested in her own enjoyment of sex or mine, in sum, a woman who is emotionally and physically absent during sex, is like masturbating in someone else's body," I'd probably agree. Worse, I'd go further and say that it amounts to some form of sexual abuse unless the woman positively affirms that she is OK with her body being used as meat. Otherwise, the woman is playing the victim role and her partner the (ab)user.

If sex like that is occurring, each sexual encounter will make the next less likely and more traumatizing for the woman — a sure way to keep a woman LD or ND.

(Note: I have no problem with single/mutual masturbation with the partners using each others' bodies in various interesting manners, with one- or two-sided Os involved. A happy balance is what matters. The sexual abuse aroma enters in when one of the people involved is not participating and is emotionally absent.)


Best,
Oldtimer