DQ,

Interesting thread. DQ, I agree quite a bit with what you say. I have an old faking orgasms thread around that also might be relevant to this sort of thing.

Just two things:

(1) The Eroscillator works far better than the knob style vibrators (though I agree they are good.) But nothing beats the Eroscillator. Intense stimulation of a better sort with less numbing action. They are pricey but last for years and years.

(2) The pressure to O without a vibrator is ill-placed. If it happens, great. If not, that is OK too. The video that accompanies the Eroscillator covers this point well. A woman is not lesser than or somehow sexually defective if a vibrator is required. There are certainly still many ways for a man to participate in the O even if it involves a vibrator.

NTE,

If a woman has NEVER had an O, even by herself, then her partner's skill level probably has nothing to do with it.

If a woman Os by herself but not with a partner, it is because she is not getting what she needs sexually, either because of her own hangups/mental blocks, or because her P is not giving it to her. With 10 minutes considered a very long time for foreplay by a lot of guys with only part of that including direct genital stimulation of the woman and a greater amount including foreplay for the guy, a lot of women are simply not going to O with their Ps. And, with all the social pressure to be a certain way sexually on women it is very difficult for women to be present sexually, and if they aren't present, well, they won't O, that's for sure.


Best,
Oldtimer