Thanks Ian, I have met some incredible people with stories re divorce and hard luck that they've shared with me because they want to help me. It's quite touching to see people sharing their most hurtful experiences in the hopes of helping me through mine. It can certainly be a difficult thing to deal with the choices our S's made about their sexuality but, honestly, I don't believe my W "changed" because of me (I use the "I not only turned her off M, I turned her off men" line cuz it's a good line!). I remember my Coffee Buddy saying "you must be in so much pain, this must be so much worse for you than if it was another man" and I said "I don't know whether it is or not, the thought of another man having happy time with my W really doesn't do much for me either! I don't judge her sexuality, that's a choice she has to live with. What I look at is the fact that she's saying she's not committed to our R, and that is what is important". I have no idea what my W's sexual orientation is and I don't think she really knows either, she was just a confused, unhappy person who found herself a mommy figure who would look after her every need. I told her, in a rare moment of rage, "you two are a pair of really sick bitches" referring to the dynamics of their R, not the sexuality aspect. Let's face it, this is a woman who said "we know we're co-dependent, so what!" What can you say after that? Thanks for your encouragement Ian. Hey, is there a gas station near you where I could maybe lower the price of gas for an hour or so, just for you? Let me know