Aw, DanceQueen, why you gotta be like that?

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But Silly, to be honest with you, I am tired of bantering with you. If you don't see any merit to my advice, just ignore it.

You seem to have a combative and contrary attitude, and I just don't really want to "go there" with you any more.

And BTW, this combative attitude is a huge turn off to women, so maybe you could check into that a little bit for your wife's sake?

Much love to you Silly, but I'm not going to try getting any points across to you anymore. If you don't like what I say, feel free to not discuss it with me.

With all due respect, I don't owe you agreement. It's nice that you offer advice, but this is my life and I have to live it. If you're going to end the conversation because I dared to disagree with you or say your point wasn't expressed clearly, maybe you need more practice dealing with disagreements. No need to take your ball and go home.
Either way, I'm not mad, even if you are. Liking what you have to say has nothing to do with it. I don't know you. I'm not passing judgment on you as a person when I don't agree with you. I'm just thinking differently than you are.

And I'll just point out the dichotomy one more time, for the record: be strong by standing up for what you believe is right, because women are not attracted to wimps. But don't be strong by standing up for what you believe is right, because women are not attracted to a combative attitude.

All that said, I can admit when I'm wrong, so I'll just go ahead and post the quote I found when I searched for "strip tease" under your name:
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Stripping for your man can be something a woman really enjoys. Beyond the fun the man has in this, the woman can really touch into a whole new feeling inside of herself by stripping. Usually a woman really needs her man to ask her to do this for him in order for her to feel the "permission" she needs to get in touch with this part of herself. But it will be such an erotic experience for HER if her man can gently help her get into it.

You're right, that's pretty clear, and I missed it. Does the fact that I missed it mean I'm contrary, combative and not worth acknowledging? You'll have to be the judge. I know what I think.

With that out of the way, I wanted to respond this post by Bagheera on another post.

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(1) Nice Girls Don't (desire or enjoy sex)

This was posted as one of three things to keep in mind about sexually submissive women, that often their desire to be dominated is a way to avoid any responsibility for desiring sex, since their upbringing or some other cause has left them with the belief that sex is bad and they would be wrong to desire it.

This is one of the things that worries me the most about the "just go with it, you found what she likes" school. If it's as simple as "she likes to be told what to do in bed, and maybe get her hair pulled a little" then fine, I can do that. Who am I kidding? I LOVE doing that.
But (and maybe my Nice Guy Syndrome is acting up) I worry. I love doing it, she loves doing it, but does that make it a good idea? Fundamentally, her "Nice Girls Don't" attitude is unhealthy and untrue. By dominating her this way, I'm basically saying to her "You're right; you'd be a slut if you were making love to your husband, but you're being raped by a swashbuckling browncoat, so you might as well lie back and think of England." That can't be healthy, can it? If we do that for 20 years, how much cognitive dissonance is going to build up in her mind, and what will it do to her?
Or maybe I'm saying "You're right, sex is filthy, but I'm really the filthy one, because I want sex and you don't." This also doesn't seem particularly healthy. How does she stay in love with the guy who forces immorality on her, even if she enjoys the immoral filth at the moment it's happening? Do I really want to be the scapegoat?

I'm not married to any of this. These are just ideas that I'd like everyone to react to. They didn't seem to fit in the thread where Bagheera posted the original comments. Everybody who's still responding to what I say, tell me what you think, please.

Last edited by SillyOldBear; 07/18/08 05:35 AM.

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