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Delil@h #1522801 07/17/08 09:35 PM
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Yes Cinco, as Ali is saying...if you bring up the shoes, she will just feel pressure. LATER it will be ok, but not yet. You have more work to do.

Thanks for the comments about your sister, you know what I am saying! Strange, isn't it?

Ali - I am sure that your beauty intimidates other women, hun. Try not to rub it in their face though.....they don't really hate you they just want to emulate you.

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Try not to rub it in their face though.....they don't really hate you they just want to emulate you.

OK... fiiiiiiiiiiine if you say so.................!
* me walking off and dragging my feet and kicking a few things along the way* wink wink* ;\) *
~Ali

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Thanks DQ and Ali~ - Good news is that she is girly for the most part (wears makeup etc.) Last week when we went out, when she had on the Birks, I just complimented her are the parts I liked and, "no comment" on the shoes. She had a really sexy top on that looked great on her and of course her hair was lucious so I focused on those.

Damn she would have looked hot though with the right shoes. 5

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Well just stop being so dang hot and your problems will be over.

:0)

Hee hee!

I try not to notice how people are looking at me, so that they can enjoy the experience of "seeing" me without the interference of me trying to evaluate what they think of me. Does that make sense? I just walk along thinking "here I am, I am beautiful, hopefully you will see your own beauty within me as well, as we are God's creatures together and are mirrors of each other", and I just don't take notice of whether they are "seeing" me in a positive, negative, or any other way.

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(that last post was to Ali)

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here I am, I am beautiful, hopefully you will see your own beauty within me as well, as we are God's creatures together and are mirrors of each other",


Wow, I feel the same way.

I sort of have that ugly duck thing going on.
Growing up my MOM never told me anything positive about myself and I got teased a lot... so I actually have a personality to go along with the looks.... I never felt attractive until I divorced my 1st husband.... YUCK.. I was 25~

I think everyone is beautiful in their own way too....
goes back to my free love granola eating hippie chick roots.. ;\)


Thanks for your posts DQ~

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Sorry to jump in on this, but I am one of the few 1% or so (?) that dig the whole outdoorsy - hippy - birkenstock - hairy leg thing. Not sure why, just the sort of "if your that rebellious on the outside.." question. I don't know. There is a way with the flannel etc that can be pretty sexy, but I would think that is intentional when it is sexy, just casting a more focused net. Think mini skirt with cowboy boots. Really redneck sounding but done right, nothing better. Slob flannel look, pajamas etc, no can do.

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Aw, DanceQueen, why you gotta be like that?

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But Silly, to be honest with you, I am tired of bantering with you. If you don't see any merit to my advice, just ignore it.

You seem to have a combative and contrary attitude, and I just don't really want to "go there" with you any more.

And BTW, this combative attitude is a huge turn off to women, so maybe you could check into that a little bit for your wife's sake?

Much love to you Silly, but I'm not going to try getting any points across to you anymore. If you don't like what I say, feel free to not discuss it with me.

With all due respect, I don't owe you agreement. It's nice that you offer advice, but this is my life and I have to live it. If you're going to end the conversation because I dared to disagree with you or say your point wasn't expressed clearly, maybe you need more practice dealing with disagreements. No need to take your ball and go home.
Either way, I'm not mad, even if you are. Liking what you have to say has nothing to do with it. I don't know you. I'm not passing judgment on you as a person when I don't agree with you. I'm just thinking differently than you are.

And I'll just point out the dichotomy one more time, for the record: be strong by standing up for what you believe is right, because women are not attracted to wimps. But don't be strong by standing up for what you believe is right, because women are not attracted to a combative attitude.

All that said, I can admit when I'm wrong, so I'll just go ahead and post the quote I found when I searched for "strip tease" under your name:
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Stripping for your man can be something a woman really enjoys. Beyond the fun the man has in this, the woman can really touch into a whole new feeling inside of herself by stripping. Usually a woman really needs her man to ask her to do this for him in order for her to feel the "permission" she needs to get in touch with this part of herself. But it will be such an erotic experience for HER if her man can gently help her get into it.

You're right, that's pretty clear, and I missed it. Does the fact that I missed it mean I'm contrary, combative and not worth acknowledging? You'll have to be the judge. I know what I think.

With that out of the way, I wanted to respond this post by Bagheera on another post.

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(1) Nice Girls Don't (desire or enjoy sex)

This was posted as one of three things to keep in mind about sexually submissive women, that often their desire to be dominated is a way to avoid any responsibility for desiring sex, since their upbringing or some other cause has left them with the belief that sex is bad and they would be wrong to desire it.

This is one of the things that worries me the most about the "just go with it, you found what she likes" school. If it's as simple as "she likes to be told what to do in bed, and maybe get her hair pulled a little" then fine, I can do that. Who am I kidding? I LOVE doing that.
But (and maybe my Nice Guy Syndrome is acting up) I worry. I love doing it, she loves doing it, but does that make it a good idea? Fundamentally, her "Nice Girls Don't" attitude is unhealthy and untrue. By dominating her this way, I'm basically saying to her "You're right; you'd be a slut if you were making love to your husband, but you're being raped by a swashbuckling browncoat, so you might as well lie back and think of England." That can't be healthy, can it? If we do that for 20 years, how much cognitive dissonance is going to build up in her mind, and what will it do to her?
Or maybe I'm saying "You're right, sex is filthy, but I'm really the filthy one, because I want sex and you don't." This also doesn't seem particularly healthy. How does she stay in love with the guy who forces immorality on her, even if she enjoys the immoral filth at the moment it's happening? Do I really want to be the scapegoat?

I'm not married to any of this. These are just ideas that I'd like everyone to react to. They didn't seem to fit in the thread where Bagheera posted the original comments. Everybody who's still responding to what I say, tell me what you think, please.

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Actually, I went ahead and put that last part--the reaction to Baggy's post--in my thread, since it probably belongs there. If it's not interesting here, feel free to ignore it. If it is, go ahead and post your takes; I read both.
I'd have edited it out, but the software won't let me.


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Silly, you will get the best advice from Baggy and S&A, dear. I will leave it to them.

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