Thanks Shiny- he has recognized that I guess. Lee- yes, that is good!! Not so great night last night - got into OR talks. H was telling me all about some coworker that had a hooker in Paris on a trip and how H was embarrassed for the guy and how everyone knew about it and H thinks the guy along with several others we discussed are D now. So when H left too quickly, PMA was low for me. I started thinking about all the people at H office and the high D rate. So the long and short of OR talk : oops back in minute....