For the Guy with kids and a WW 6

[Dr LOve]

hopeful4her,

Ok Buddy DO NOT GET ME WRONG. This may sound like the pot calling the kettle black. I also have my days.

I have not read far back on your thread but you need to change your thinking big guy.
There is going dark and then there is being someone that ya don't want to hang around. I am not in your shoes so take this for what is worth.
If you put yourself in your W place think about this. How would you feel if when ever you asked her something she gave you short answers? How would YOU feel if she did not engage YOU? Just kind of hung around.
I have been where you are. I have had wife cook dinner for her and son and leave me out. I have had wife go out with son on a hot day and come home with Ice creams and not think of calling me to see if I wanted something. You have to try not to take it personal. (I TOO HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THIS)I know it is hard. Not to do.
But remember you reap what you sew big guy. I stewed too thinking "She NEVER does anything for me why should I think of her?” But you know what. When I just started calling anyway on the way home and said. “Hey I am stopping at in n out burger do you want anything?" At first she would say "NO". Ok fine I offered. I continued to do this.
After a while she started saying "Ya pick me up a cheese burger". THEN guess what happened. SHE started calling me when she stopped somewhere and asking ME if I wanted something.
What I our wives did was WRONG. And YES I do think most men would have just given up right then and got divorced.
BUT we didn't.
Something was wrong with your marriage BEFORE. That part is both of your faults.
So we already have that going against us. But if we want to repair our marriage we can't make ourselves even more undesirable.
Make yourself someone you would want to hang around.
Plan your night, plan to include her but.... don't make your plans DEPEND on her. If she is there great if not what do you lose?
Just my 2 cents. Been at this over a year now. Things take time...

Doc