Baggy - great points you are making about men who grew up around us women who grew up with feminism. It has some serious backlash problems, doesn't it? I'm so glad that some of us lucky ones are figuring out where we went wrong.

I'm really just lucky that my man already "gets it" and has been there and seen for himself what women really want. He has not gone through any damaging relationships that took away his alpha-ness. It was tempting to be very insecure about his vast experience when I first met him...but soon enough it became evident that, HEY I am the one who gets the benefits of all of his experience! YAY ME!

Cinco - Keep at it! Keep reading and understanding! Don't rush into anything you've read on the "Taken" website but defintely let it sift into your mind as a hidden truth about women and the world about you. Yes, we have all been missing the point a lot of times...I have been more guilty than most during my marriage. What a waste of a lot of sad years, and I still regret to this day that my ex-h and I could not have tried a bit harder.

One point about her not being vocal...sometime while you are in the midst of passion, could you softly say to her "tell me you want it". She will likely just look confused at first. But whisper it again, more naughty the second time, "tell me you want me to F you". Be a little firm but not pushy. Even if she just smiles and refuses to say it, her sheepish smile will tell you that she like you giving her direction. Do this every so often and I bet you one of these times, she's going to say it. Make sure you do this at a good point in the middle of the passion when she already has most of her walls down.

As for "stop...don't stop..." Hee hee...you know, I have to be very careful. Because being that this great sex life is all new to me, I literally want to shout from rooftops, as if I've won the lottery. But ... of course:

1. I don't want to "brag" per se, that's just not me.

2. I truly don't want to say things that turn people on just for the sake of turning people on. I am 100% faithful, even to the extent that I would never just engage in this topic as just conversation. I realize that it is possibly going to turn men on just reading it or hearing it. Not my intent but it is reality.

3. I know that some of my great sex life is literally so far out there that no one will relate even if I do try to discuss it with them.

So I end up in a bit of a quandary, where I feel I have this great new-found knowledge and want to share it, but the subject matter is too titilating to just lay it all on the line with just anyone.

I feel safe here on this forum so I can say more than usual. I also have to walk a line with what I know my man would or wouldn't be ok with me saying....

But again, for now I feel safe. Thanks you guys, you are both great.

DQ