My God Jethro I think YOU'RE ME. As I read through your posts and LL's questions I thought, MY god, he is saying exactly everything I'm thinking and feeling. Amazing! If you get a chance to read some of my posts (especially the dozie of the past few days, I swear, you'll see yourself in them. This crap is to pat. There must be "secret" handbooks out there that each of us roll players are doomed to follow. Geesh. T2