A different kind of limbo...

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I know the doormat feeling. I let myself be that for many years because I tried to please my husband. I think you are right L2 the 180 is how to frame it. You can stick to boundries without getting mad or out-of-control. You can even twist logic to make it seem like you are going a long with them, but not really. For example, I have a very strong-willed child. When she was younger she would get angry and frustrated because her friends might not want to do what she wanted to do. I told her she had to make what she wanted to do sound like the better choice, the most exciting and fun thing. Then her friends would want to do what she wanted to do. And if that doesn't work, always try negotiation. I'd suggest, know your opponent, get on their level, and use good and appealing pursuasive arguements. With men in MLC and affairs being insane, you have to make it appear as if you are always supporting them. Think about what you want and how you can twist it to appear to them what they want.