all I can say shiny is still expect nothing...I've heard it time and time again...tommorow night...only to be left alone the next night too...

it's funny (ok it's not funny it's ironic) that you had such a conversation about this with cj last night...I had a similar conversation with my h...

he was going up to bed I was staying up to read..we had our conversation about getting son to bed on time...then a hug goodnight and then I said whatever I said that said how bout some lovin...h said as usual....not tonight I'm beat...I responded with you don't have to actually be able to you just have to want to...I think that's really all I want...h said...I do want to...I'm just to tired to...and there ya have it.

how long will h's tired spell last??
I don't know! at least I know it is not some by product of the sit...crap he's been this way since roughly the begining...

but just as you have realized shiny...it could be worse...we could have men who can't keep their hands off us but are seriously lacking in other areas that will be more important in the long run.

still stinks...wish we could change it a bit...

I have discoverd though that though most men would love to have their woman decide to just walk over and straddle them..it's not to pleasing as a form of inititation for my h...I have been able to persuade him into an encounter simply by gently stroking his arms and chest wandering but not invading any area that would be blatant...then he's surprises himself. and if it doesn't work in my favor well I don't feel as rejected.

LL