I agree Randy, it has to be on her terms. No matter how much we hurt cause of our love for them, it has to meet some kind of criteria that they have in there head. Last nite I asked my ex to go to the casino with me this weekend. She said no, I really thought she would say yes. I went outside and cried. She came out, we talked some. I spilled my heart to her. She said why couldn't I have felt this way last year. I wish I knew, all I could say. She then said I'm listening to what she says but I don't hear her. I asked her what should I hear. She said, "I don't know." But today I mentioned Hawaii, she seemed hesitant about it. Sons missing school and such. I said ok, I see. She then said Oh no, I'd love to go. She calls me back and asks me to find the flight and hotel, so thats what I'm doing.