Randy, I have just spent some time reading your thread. You give me such strength! I am basically living the same life you are. My X and I have been divorced since December. I have done my best at DB but something always backfires. It is usually asking for "more". In my situation X and I and our 10 year old daughter do lots of things together. People see us out together and think we are back together until I have the lovely embarrassing job of setting them straight.One thing different is that we have sex. Lots of sex!!! I get so frustrated that he can spend all this time with me, give me his body, but not his heart. We go through this "life" like this until I get "needy". I want the words, I want attention. I want a relationship!! How can you be so patient? Can you give me any advice? My heart just breaks because of all this wasted time and the destruction of our M after 15 years. I could go into more detail but I am not going to take over your thread. I used to post on this board a lot pre divorce and came back to check on things. You gave me courage and made me feel like I am not alone. Thank you, Emma