Your right Donna,

I don't know what made her turn away. But I think I know this, I doubt I will ever really know.

I never knew with my ex wife either. Hill you have good advice and I know that is what needs to be done...but It seems the first step is never really solveable. I don't know what changed, I asked and got no real tangable response.

I haven't tried to play the victum in this Other than to say, I don't get it. I am sure I made mistakes of my own in this relationship.

Phoenix,
I have thought about girls I have broken up with too. But for me, if a relationship made it past 6 months, It was not me doing the breaking. That is to say, I knew by then wheather or not I was going to stay and deal with ANY issue that arose. Less than 6, the infatuation was gone. More than 6 for me and it was "real" feelings.

I do know this about myself. It gets harder and harder for me to let my walls down with each passing failed relationship. Harder for me to open up and let my gaurd down.