Thanks for all your insight, it is good to get others opinions. What you have said helps re-affirm things and lifts me up a lot. I have read The Divorce Remedy and my W has a copy too. She did start reading it, but last Friday she said she really isn't into self-help books to much right now. On another note I have taken up a couple of activities 1. I landscaped the front yard, she saw it before I got done, says she liked it, however it has changed a lot since she saw it. 2. I have been working out for a little over 2 months now and have lost 17.5 pounds. I'm doing it for me, but for her too. I feel way better. She has really noticed that, says that I need to get some new pants, lol. My waist has gone from a 34-36 depending on pants to a 30-32. I would like to lose 12 more pounds and get to 185. Told her I would like to achieve getting some tone, cut & a tan for more sex appeal look. Mention this to her in person, she gave me the yeah, uh huh nods, but looking at her I think I could see her mind working. She herself is big on exercise and fitness, I have been lazy. If she thiks she can out do me, she may be wrong cause it just makes me want to try harder. Anyway said she was going to call me today, I figure it has something to do with car looking. I'm not going to mention the circus again I'm going to wait and she what she does, I have already put it out there. Guess we will see what happens. Everyday that we are apart that goes by I hope puts me one day closer to be back together, like the clock is ticking down. I try to look at it this way, seems to help some. As for friendly dialog I hope that it is building a stronger foundation from which we can work from in the future. I think she is still confused on some things and trying to figure it all out. She difinately wants to be sure that things don't go back the old way, this I know for sure. I'v been trying to prove myself, she has noticed, but I guess it takes a good amount of time for her to feel reasured.