H4H - I am with you - and I know what you mean - I was happy to be married, to have person do depend one another - Yes now I have my "freedom" but I wasn't looking for it and I am not even enjoy it. But this is not the point now. The fact is that we are in this position - and it is painful and sad, but our WW cannot and do not want to "support" us - and we need to show them and to us, that they don't HAVE to - if you show you are independent then you show she can depend on you - this is what I understood - It is hard - for me nearly impossible right now - I just screwed up big time with W and put the clock back to square one - but this is need to be done.... I guess. It does upset me - because if I show somebody I love her - that should be valued, but obviously it is not, not in this moment - it is a cruel game - they want to see something else.