Lee - FWIW - when I was suffering from fatigue and loss of libido from my thyroid problems, I really did feel just too tired and too crummy at the end of the day. Didn't mean that I didn't feel love and affection for my H, I just thought he would understand (boy, was I dumb! ). Maybe you would get better results if approaching your W earlier in the day, some time and place that is unhurried and when she doesn't have other responsibilities on her mind? Ellie