Bear, Venting on these boards is so very important. better to vent here than with WAS...even if you come across as being angry (like I did). Just one last thought as I was reading your post. I don't want to sound like the Kool Aid salesman...I strongly feel that WASs are totally closed and oblivious to anything we say or do (especially right after the bomb). It is during this time that it is very important to give them that space that they crave and work on ourselves. This is so very hard to do. Hopefully, the WAS will let down the big wall eventually and notice what they are leaving behind. Like my buddy Woog used to say, it ain't over yet.