Originally Posted By: near the end

Now, oh sage, how do the rest of us neophytes get our wives off the dime?


Sage-brush maybe, in its most gnarly, stinky form.

To answer your (rhetorical) question, continue my Star Wars shtick, and quote Han Solo: "That's the trick, ain't it?"

Every marriage is as different as the two people in it AND its history. I only know what worked for me, and what I've read works for others. You've got a good place to start now: gain your own self-respect back, and then see if she will come around to respecting you again also.

Safe journeys,

-- B.


Me 50, W 45, M for 26 yrs
S25, D23, S13, S10
20+ year SSM; recovery began Oct 2007